Nope…Not for a second. If Jesus isn’t God, his statements that indicated his deity were lies and he died as a victim of powerful elites for his own sin. The Christian narrative does not work if Jesus is not who he said he was.
Uhmmm…That’s just not true. Not that he didn’t say those things but the assumptions you have put on what he said. Jesus had no issue with accepting worship when appropriate. It wasn’t because they didn’t like what he said that they were going to stone him. It was that they perceived blasphemous claims of equality with God.
The blasphemous claims were as valid as their other claims - that he had a demon, broke the Sabbath and their lies at his trial. And so you want to give these false claims preference over Jesus’ claims. Which never were that he was God.
We don’t need to base doctrine on the spurious claims of the people who killed our Lord.
You go to your church, I’ll go to mine. This I know, The first step with any cultic thinking is to raise Man to Deity and to pull God down from his throne. I get it that the Trinity is difficult to understand. If you want a God you can fully understand, yoou must create him yourself.
The trinity is not of God but the adversary. You’ve been misled. This will become evident in time. Your response shows you have simply fallen on dogma when your claims prove worthless. This is ‘head in the sand’ and not prudent or mature. A good sheep seeks the shepherd’s voice.
The Trinity is of God. You’ve been misled. This will become evident in time your response shows you have simply called for the dogma when your claims prove worthless This is “head in the sand and not prudent or mature”. A good sheep seeks the Shepherd’s voice.
Are more people really questioning the Trinity? Heretics have always existed. Paul, John and Peter dealt with a variety of false teachers before the close of the canon. There are more people alive at this moment so if the percentage of false teachers remained the same, it logically follows that more heretics would exist.
What I want any reader to notice in this article is that the author claims that the Bibles used by Christians are corrupted translations. But what the author doesn’t say is that he can’t read any of the original languages, has never even taken a class in Greek or Hebrew grammar so his claim that these are translations corrupted by Trinitarians is based on his complete lack of knowledge in the areas one would need to have knowledge to make such a claim.
I have engaged the author multiple times and it is clear to me that he can use Strong’s Concordance to look up definitions of words. Strong’s is a good tool and provides entry level knowledge to someone just beginning to look a the variety of ways Hebrew and Greek words are translated, but it isn’t a sufficient source to declare a translation corruptions.
It is also clear from my other interactions with the author that he has never studied the rules of hermeneutics or logic since he violates both regularly.
There are some prolific writers on SubStack who promote many of the same heresies denounced by the Apostles and other Theological and Christological heresies taught in the church. Because the same few people post often on the same heresies, it may seem like there are more people embracing those heresies but it can also be that they might be the loud vocal minority that heretics have always been.
Had you studied Biblical hermeneutics you would know that the proper interpretation reconciles all the passages on a subject.
In the Bible, there are several instances where individuals are described as having "seen God" or encountered Him in some form, though the nature of these encounters varies—sometimes it’s a direct vision, a theophany or Christophany, or a symbolic representation.
Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:8-10)
Before the Fall, Adam and Eve are implied to have had direct communion with God in the Garden of Eden. The text mentions God "walking in the garden in the cool of the day," suggesting they may have perceived His presence, though it’s unclear if this was a visual encounter or a more spiritual one.
Abraham (Genesis 18:1-33)
Abraham encountered God when "the Lord appeared to him" as one of three men (or angels) near the oaks of Mamre. He spoke with them face-to-face, and one is explicitly identified as the Lord.
Jacob (Genesis 32:24-30)
Jacob wrestled with a mysterious "man" who is later revealed to be divine. After the encounter, Jacob named the place Peniel, saying, "I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered."
Moses (Exodus 33:11, 33:18-23, 34:5-7)
Moses had some of the most direct encounters with God. The Lord spoke to him "face to face, as a man speaks to his friend." When Moses asked to see God’s glory, God allowed him to see His "back" while shielding him in a cleft of a rock, noting that no one can see His full face and live. Earlier, at the burning bush (Exodus 3), Moses also encountered God in a dramatic way.
The Elders of Israel (Exodus 24:9-11)
Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy elders went up Mount Sinai and "saw the God of Israel." The description includes a vision of a pavement of sapphire under His feet. They ate and drank in His presence, which is remarkable given the usual biblical caution about seeing God.
Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1-5)
The prophet Isaiah had a vision of the Lord "seated on a throne, high and lifted up," with the train of His robe filling the temple. Seraphim surrounded Him, and Isaiah exclaimed, "Woe is me! For I have seen the King, the Lord of Hosts!"
Ezekiel (Ezekiel 1:26-28)
Ezekiel saw a vision of God’s glory, describing a figure on a throne that resembled a human, surrounded by radiance like a rainbow. This is one of the most vivid and symbolic depictions of God in the Old Testament.
Daniel (Daniel 7:9-10)
In a vision, Daniel saw the "Ancient of Days" seated on a throne, with white garments and hair like wool, surrounded by fire and thousands of attendants. This is often interpreted as a vision of God the Father.
John (Revelation 1:12-18, 4:2-3)
In the New Testament, John, in the Book of Revelation, saw visions of God on His throne and of Jesus Christ in glorified form. His descriptions echo those of Ezekiel and Daniel, with symbolic imagery of majesty and power.
The Bible also states in places (e.g., Exodus 33:20, John 1:18) that "no one has ever seen God" in His full essence, suggesting that these encounters were either visions, partial revelations, or manifestations (like the pre-incarnate Christ- the Logos) as the Captain of the Lord’s host or an angel of the Lord.
In the New Testament, Jesus is presented as the ultimate revelation of God (John 14:9: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father"), shifting the focus to His incarnation.
So, while many "saw" God, the experiences range from physical interactions to prophetic visions.
:) you should have simply stopped after ‘encountered Him in some form’ which adequately explains the matter. No one has seen Him for He is invisible. You still seem to have trouble with that - probably because you mistakenly think Jesus is God and exists before his birth of Mary, and everyone saw Jesus. It’s going to be embarrassing when you realise the truth of exegesis and you missed all the evidence while promoting the schemes of the devil.
Nope…Not for a second. If Jesus isn’t God, his statements that indicated his deity were lies and he died as a victim of powerful elites for his own sin. The Christian narrative does not work if Jesus is not who he said he was.
He said the Father was the only true God and that God was his God. Which bit of that don’t you agree with?
The Christian narrative was designed by the state and deceived men not the Apostles.
Uhmmm…That’s just not true. Not that he didn’t say those things but the assumptions you have put on what he said. Jesus had no issue with accepting worship when appropriate. It wasn’t because they didn’t like what he said that they were going to stone him. It was that they perceived blasphemous claims of equality with God.
The blasphemous claims were as valid as their other claims - that he had a demon, broke the Sabbath and their lies at his trial. And so you want to give these false claims preference over Jesus’ claims. Which never were that he was God.
We don’t need to base doctrine on the spurious claims of the people who killed our Lord.
You go to your church, I’ll go to mine. This I know, The first step with any cultic thinking is to raise Man to Deity and to pull God down from his throne. I get it that the Trinity is difficult to understand. If you want a God you can fully understand, yoou must create him yourself.
The trinity is not of God but the adversary. You’ve been misled. This will become evident in time. Your response shows you have simply fallen on dogma when your claims prove worthless. This is ‘head in the sand’ and not prudent or mature. A good sheep seeks the shepherd’s voice.
The Trinity is of God. You’ve been misled. This will become evident in time your response shows you have simply called for the dogma when your claims prove worthless This is “head in the sand and not prudent or mature”. A good sheep seeks the Shepherd’s voice.
Jesus said the Father was the only true God and that God was his God. Which bit of that don’t you agree with?
If you think of proof texts to negate these simple truths, you are negating Jesus. You’ll have to resolve that paradox.
Are more people really questioning the Trinity? Heretics have always existed. Paul, John and Peter dealt with a variety of false teachers before the close of the canon. There are more people alive at this moment so if the percentage of false teachers remained the same, it logically follows that more heretics would exist.
What I want any reader to notice in this article is that the author claims that the Bibles used by Christians are corrupted translations. But what the author doesn’t say is that he can’t read any of the original languages, has never even taken a class in Greek or Hebrew grammar so his claim that these are translations corrupted by Trinitarians is based on his complete lack of knowledge in the areas one would need to have knowledge to make such a claim.
I have engaged the author multiple times and it is clear to me that he can use Strong’s Concordance to look up definitions of words. Strong’s is a good tool and provides entry level knowledge to someone just beginning to look a the variety of ways Hebrew and Greek words are translated, but it isn’t a sufficient source to declare a translation corruptions.
It is also clear from my other interactions with the author that he has never studied the rules of hermeneutics or logic since he violates both regularly.
There are some prolific writers on SubStack who promote many of the same heresies denounced by the Apostles and other Theological and Christological heresies taught in the church. Because the same few people post often on the same heresies, it may seem like there are more people embracing those heresies but it can also be that they might be the loud vocal minority that heretics have always been.
lol. I didn’t see your response to how people have seen God - the invisible God who no one has seen.
All the best bro! Love your passion. It will be a force for good when God turns you into the light!
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. In Proverbs somewhere. Be careful bro.
Steve,
Had you studied Biblical hermeneutics you would know that the proper interpretation reconciles all the passages on a subject.
In the Bible, there are several instances where individuals are described as having "seen God" or encountered Him in some form, though the nature of these encounters varies—sometimes it’s a direct vision, a theophany or Christophany, or a symbolic representation.
Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:8-10)
Before the Fall, Adam and Eve are implied to have had direct communion with God in the Garden of Eden. The text mentions God "walking in the garden in the cool of the day," suggesting they may have perceived His presence, though it’s unclear if this was a visual encounter or a more spiritual one.
Abraham (Genesis 18:1-33)
Abraham encountered God when "the Lord appeared to him" as one of three men (or angels) near the oaks of Mamre. He spoke with them face-to-face, and one is explicitly identified as the Lord.
Jacob (Genesis 32:24-30)
Jacob wrestled with a mysterious "man" who is later revealed to be divine. After the encounter, Jacob named the place Peniel, saying, "I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered."
Moses (Exodus 33:11, 33:18-23, 34:5-7)
Moses had some of the most direct encounters with God. The Lord spoke to him "face to face, as a man speaks to his friend." When Moses asked to see God’s glory, God allowed him to see His "back" while shielding him in a cleft of a rock, noting that no one can see His full face and live. Earlier, at the burning bush (Exodus 3), Moses also encountered God in a dramatic way.
The Elders of Israel (Exodus 24:9-11)
Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy elders went up Mount Sinai and "saw the God of Israel." The description includes a vision of a pavement of sapphire under His feet. They ate and drank in His presence, which is remarkable given the usual biblical caution about seeing God.
Isaiah (Isaiah 6:1-5)
The prophet Isaiah had a vision of the Lord "seated on a throne, high and lifted up," with the train of His robe filling the temple. Seraphim surrounded Him, and Isaiah exclaimed, "Woe is me! For I have seen the King, the Lord of Hosts!"
Ezekiel (Ezekiel 1:26-28)
Ezekiel saw a vision of God’s glory, describing a figure on a throne that resembled a human, surrounded by radiance like a rainbow. This is one of the most vivid and symbolic depictions of God in the Old Testament.
Daniel (Daniel 7:9-10)
In a vision, Daniel saw the "Ancient of Days" seated on a throne, with white garments and hair like wool, surrounded by fire and thousands of attendants. This is often interpreted as a vision of God the Father.
John (Revelation 1:12-18, 4:2-3)
In the New Testament, John, in the Book of Revelation, saw visions of God on His throne and of Jesus Christ in glorified form. His descriptions echo those of Ezekiel and Daniel, with symbolic imagery of majesty and power.
The Bible also states in places (e.g., Exodus 33:20, John 1:18) that "no one has ever seen God" in His full essence, suggesting that these encounters were either visions, partial revelations, or manifestations (like the pre-incarnate Christ- the Logos) as the Captain of the Lord’s host or an angel of the Lord.
In the New Testament, Jesus is presented as the ultimate revelation of God (John 14:9: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father"), shifting the focus to His incarnation.
So, while many "saw" God, the experiences range from physical interactions to prophetic visions.
:) you should have simply stopped after ‘encountered Him in some form’ which adequately explains the matter. No one has seen Him for He is invisible. You still seem to have trouble with that - probably because you mistakenly think Jesus is God and exists before his birth of Mary, and everyone saw Jesus. It’s going to be embarrassing when you realise the truth of exegesis and you missed all the evidence while promoting the schemes of the devil.
Never mind, you’re in good company.
Love your passion!